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What a week! What a month! S&P 500 started around 1,250 a month ago, was as high as 1,200 at some point two weeks ago, and no one had ever imagined it could drop below 850 last Friday. I gave out an 800 target in August last year at one of my old articles, which S&P 500 is on its way to test now. It was an easy target to give since it was the low of the 2001-2003 bear market. Even the market is quite oversold, and due to a dead cat bounce, I doubt now 800 will be the bottom for the bear market, and there is no support whatsoever in sight once 800 is decisively broken, until around 4-500.

After the 1987 crash, government has implemented the so-called circuit breaker system which they hope would prevent a one-day crash of 20%. However, people are always smarter than the system and will always find a way to get around it. Instead of dropping 20% in one day, let us do it 5% a day on average, and easily beat the 20% record in 1987 by a wide margin last week. The next thing government can try is market holiday(s) and eventually bank holidays like in the 1930s.

Early this year, Jeremy Grantham of GMO predicted at his interview with Barron’s that S&P 500 would drop to 1,100 by 2010. A lot of people just laughed at him, was this crazy old man out of his mind? Now it is like Hamlet’s last line “all the rest is silence’. We always should listen to an old man who has experienced the nifty-fifty losing 80% of their market value in 1970s, and has extensively studied the Great Depression of the 1930s. He probably regrets now that his 1,100 target was too conservative. Actually now 1,100 becomes an important resistance point for the upcoming dead cat bounce or bear market rally.

Jeremy derived his 1,100 target with a more normalized P/E of 11-12 as a norm for a very long term capital market. If I use the more representative bear market P/E value of 6-7, I would come up with a target of around 600-700 range. At the extreme of this bear market a few years down the road, S&P 500 might very well overshoot and drop all the way to the 400 level, which is the launch pad for last leg of the past bull market after early 1990s recession. Everything is back to square one and 20 years' return of bull market turns out to be in vain.

How long will this bear market last? Well, the 1930s Great Depression caused a bear market lasting over 2 decades, from 1929 to 1952. It was only until 1958 that the market came back to the old 1929 peak, 3 decades later. And the 1970s was not much better, lasting 14-16 years from 1966 or 1968 to 1982. Even though the bear market ended more quickly in the 1970s, it was until 1992 or 24 years later to reach the 1968 peak.

My most optimistic forecast is it will last another 4-5 years from now, or about 12 years if we count year 2000 as the starting point. If we use the commodity super-cycle by Jim Rogers, which usually runs opposite to the general equity market and lasts until 2020 as Jim predicts, it will be also a 2 decade bear market for equities, consistent with both the 1970s and the 1930s. When will the S&P 500 be back to last October's peak? At least 24 years from 2000, or 2024. A few chart technicians today think the Dow can drop all the way to 1,000, back to the 1982 level. Even that is possible, but I think it might bottom at one of the lower Fibonacci levels between 14,000 and 1,000. Which one of them is yet to be seen in future years but my guess is around 4-5,000.

The current market crash is not like 1987, which recovered in a relatively short time since the fundamentals were strong, stocks were in an uptrend and the market didn’t have the economic bloodline of credit cut off then. There is another fundamental factor now supporting a longer lasting bear market than 1970s. This time, it is demographic. Setting aside the whole investment banking sector being wiped out and OTC derivatives, for the public, the more important factor is that baby boomers are not comfortable with this market turmoil since last year, and want to lock in their nest eggs and cash out, which has caused more baby boomers to do the same. They don't want to take the risk of sitting through this credit crisis and bear market, since no one knows how long it will last.

What happens if it lasts as long as two decades? Time is not on their side. How can we blame them? With the real estate market at free-fall and no sight of its bottom, it is only natural for them to protect their only remaining nest eggs. And they will never get back into the stock market again after cashing out, due to growing risk adverse profiles with increasing age. All the concern is to protect their cash. This is why you see US treasuries reaching so high these days with yield at 0%, the so-called safe haven vehicle. Maybe stocks in the future will be “undervalued” at 50% of book value, 70% of intrinsic value, P/E at 6, PEG less than 1, but who cares. Yes, inflation is gradually eating their money away, well, let us worry about that later when inflation reaches double digits.

The above discussion about baby boomers is not new, as early as 2001, Wharton professors of Andrew Abel and Jeremy Siegel have voiced concern about the herd behavior of baby boomer generation and their cashing out simultaneously will cause a stock market meltdown around 2010. What an accurate prediction that is, only missed by 2 years. At the same time, who wants to be the last one to cash out in 2010 at the lowest price by holding the bag anyway? I think the 2010 bottom prediction by professors is still one of the valid bottoms, and probably the most important one in this bear market, reaching the 4-500 target discussed earlier after the upcoming dead cat bounce rally.

Here is a brief discussion on Warren Buffett’s investment in both GE (GE) and Goldman Sachs (GS). Investment in perpetual preferred stocks is usually a good way to invest in good business as long as the firms survive, and obviously Buffett thinks both will. I tend to agree too. However, even as both GE and Goldman survive, not many people realize these investments are at the large expense of the existing common shareholders.

In GE’s case, GE is using Buffett’s name and investment to raise $12 billion in a separate public offering to dilute its common shares, not counting on the $3 billion of GE warrants, causing potential more dilution. Almost all GE industrial units are doing fine since they are usually #1 or #2 in their sectors and have some monopoly price power. The biggest risk for GE is its GE capital unit, which never reveals its portfolio based on illiquid asset securitization and OTC derivatives, similar to highly leverage investment banks. And unfortunately it accounts for half of the GE earning power. If GE Capital is in the same trouble, GE will likely have to shut down this division, write down large losses of its portfolio and lose half of its earning power, but as a conglomerate, it will still survive. The problem is in an economic depression with decreasing revenues and much worse profit margins, GE’s earning will be depressed substantially, but still has to honor the large interest payment to Buffett on the new preferreds before common shareholders see their dividends.

In Goldman’s case, it is a much riskier investment than GE. The largest expense for investment banks is compensation, and they always issue many new shares to retain talent, aside from cash bonuses every year. That is typical and part of their incentive program. In an economic depression, there are likely no banking deals,  and not much trading activity, especially no more highly profitable structured products like before. Goldman’s net income could be running less than $1 billion at its worst years (like Morgan Stanley (MS) today). However, it has to pay Buffett $500 million, 10% interest of his $5 billion investment every year. What is left for common shareholders with their shares being diluted heavily each year? The incentive program becomes a demoralized program. Both deals are really very negative to common shareholders, taking a large piece of the net income pie and shifting from commons to preferreds.

From where the stock price and credit derivative swap are trading at for Morgan Stanley, it is pointing the company towards becoming another Lehman. The original tentative discussion with Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group (MTU) was for MTU to invest $9 billion for a 21% stake, and last Friday it could buy the whole company. No wonder people are questioning whether this deal makes any financial sense at all.

What is also interesting is that there has been a very popular blog in China, discussing in detail a high level special interest group inside China SWF and banking system, using their relationship with top managers of Morgan Stanley and Blackstone for alleged corruptions, kickbacks, abusing power, questionable investments going sour, luxurious life style, etc. Usually the Chinese government would have ordered the removal of such kind of “un-harmonized” blogs right away, but not in this case. There is wide speculation of anger by some government officials toward the China SWF fund investing in Morgan Stanley, Blackstone and all the US home mortgages and derivatives, decisions dictated by Morgan Stanley, for the purpose of nurturing their own personal relationship and self-interest but letting the whole country down. It is always a bad thing to make your investors angry by losing their money, especially this time it is their boss, the Chinese government which now realizes that they would never get any returns, and worse, are at the edge of getting wiped out on their investments.

There are also many angry investors in this country too, causing the House to defeat the $700 billion bailout plan initially. Without Wall Street’s creativity on structured products, the subprime crisis could be easily contained, even with widespread abusive lending practices. The problem is for every $1 of subprime mortgages, Wall Street created $10 CDO products, then the math geeks at structured product groups escalated the $10 CDOs by creating another $100 of OTC derivatives out of thin air (refer to my previous article “Why Wall St. Needed Credit Default Swaps?”). Now suddenly, a $700 billion default in subprime would cause a $7 trillion default in CDOs and $70 trillion losses in CDSes, a crisis 100 times larger than it should be. Now you know why Wall Street is so profitable because in the past 5-10 years, they have already sucked the blood and “profit” of not only this generation but the next. If government is serious about bailout, the size will likely be 100 times larger than $700 billion.

Not long ago, with no market for CDOs, Merrill was forced to sell CDOs at 20 cents on the dollar by creating a market. But that was not the most interesting part, Merrill had to self finance 15 cents out of 20 itself, leaving a suspicion that those CDOs were really only worth 5 cents. This act forced other banks to mark down CDOs in their portfolios further, however, at 20 cents not at 5 cents, helping other banks shore up the value of their portfolios more than they are really worth. Even so, any asset writedown has to be matched by equity. There is really no more equity to write down for many banks, and no way to raise new equity, only heading liquidation. Since debt stays the same, debt to equity ratio, or so-called equity ratio, has to be reduced in the current deleveraging process, not to be increased. As a result, a writedown causes more writedowns, and it becomes a death spiral with no way out of the situation.

In the summer of 2007, Jeremy Grantham also predicted that half of hedge funds will get wiped out, and more than half of private equity will vanish. Let us just look at the private equity sector. In the boom years, it can achieve a 50% return easily. Let us look at a hypothetical deal that a PE Firm A with 2+20 fee structure, purchased Company B at $4B with $2B borrowing at 6%, netting $1B in 2 years by IPO, a very typical deal in the good old days. It is a 50% return ($1B/$2B investment) for the PE firm. But for you as a PE investor, your share of return is: $1B profit - $0.08B fee (2%*$2B*2 yr) - $0.2B PE profit cut - $0.24B interest ($2B*6%*2 yr) = $0.48B, or 24% return ($0.48B/$2B). Suddenly the same deal seems to achieve 50% return (for them), the real return for clients is only half of it.

Now let us use the same example above but let us say the equity market enters into a couple years of bear market as of now. The same deal now takes 5 years instead of 2 years to spin off in an IPO. What would the return for PE clients be?

The answer is ZERO. It is: $1B profit - $0.2B fee (2%*$2B*5 yr) - $0.2B PE profit cut - $0.6B interest ($2B*6%*5 yr) = zero. 5 years for nothing. The extra 3 years of interest payments and excessive 2+20 fee structure eat all the remaining profit. For all the corporate pension funds, state and local government retirement funds, endowment funds and foundations rushing to invest 10-20% of their investments into private equities, do they realize investing in 5% US treasury per year (27% for 5 years compounding) would actually offer better return and carry no risk at all (except the risk of holding US dollar)?

In the above calculation, I didn’t factor in a long recession with a decade of bear market, resulting reduced revenue with deteriorating profit margin, and potentially large loss instead of profit for businesses they purchased. No need to show more calculations. This is why Jeremy was so confident about his prediction during the middle of the bull market last year, with a margin of safety by predicting only half of them dead. Now with time against them, no credit for any financing, and no equity market for IPO for a decade for them to cash out and dump the risk to the public, the likely scenario is the whole private equity sector will get wiped out in 2 years by 2010, just like the investment bank sector.

For a decade long recession and likely depression, the only firms that will survive are those preserving cash by cutting the workforce, stopping capital expenditures, R&D and IT investments, cutting stock dividends including preferred dividends, and discontinuing stock buybacks, even with stock prices going to zero. Things will get very nasty, and only firms that can still manage to generate net cashflow during depression are survivors, like in the 1930s and 1970s. Newer companies with experimental technologies will be vulnerable and regarded as nonessential, and undercapitalized private firms will be in trouble since the IPO window will be shut for the unforeseeable future. Venture capital firms will have to hold on to their investments forever, at least another decade, without an IPO in sight, until all their cash is burnt out. Many firms that rely on bank financing will not survive. The only business will survive are likely the cashflow positive energy firms and mining producers.

Pretty soon, people will realize holding cash in US dollars is also not right due to the quick deterioration of US dollar. The current rise in the US dollar is due to short term disappearance of money supply since no bank wants to lend any money out. Once the government socializes the banking industry and floods the system with worthless paper, people will downgrade US treasuries before rating agencies do, since the US government is buying and holding the worst quality mortgages and CDOs dumped by the banks.

In a normal bankruptcy process for investment banks, common stocks, preferreds and subordinated debts would get wiped out, and bondholders would act as a cushion and suffer some losses, but usually customers and trade partners are protected. The current bailout plan, and the previous BSC bailout and AIG (AIG) bailout, are all using taxpayers' money to bail out the bondholders and preferreds, which are held mostly by institutions. It is basically to wipe out the individual investors then to use taxpayers' money to protect the large institutions. Individuals have already dumped stocks, and institutions have already dumped bonds and derivatives such as CDOs and CDSes.

The next thing will happen is that both, especially foreign central banks, will dump US treasuries too by buying the ultimate asset everyone in the world trusts – gold. The reason is people will realize this is worse than the 1930s. At least then, fiat money was backed by gold. Now the US dollar is only backed by liabilities of over $10 trillion national debt and 10 times larger unfunded obligations and promises if we include Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, pension liabilities, Fannie and Freddie’s trillion mortgages, and the future purchases of the whole defunct banking industry, auto industry, airline industry, etc. etc. Government can’t only socialize the money losing sectors, and taxpayers and lawmakers have only so much patience and can’t tolerate this forever. Pretty soon, the government will need to take over a profit sector, such as energy firms, to offset some of the losses. It is going down the slippery path of socialism quickly.

This is going to be a nuclear winter for many years to come. No wonder many years ago George Soros correctly predicted that there is going to be the end of globalization and the death of capitalism. This is the payback time for all the abuses few elites have done to our society as the public now foots their bills. If G7 is serious about bailing out the global economy, the only way to do it is to have double digit hyperinflation to inflate the whole world out of depression at any costs. And they have to do it now. It can’t be half-hearted either, otherwise it will end up being a nightmare of hyperinflation combined with a great depression. This means all commodities will skyrocket and the current slump of commodities will provide the best buying opportunity before oil goes to $200 and gold to $2000. When people lose faith in fiat money, the next thing to happen is barter like in the Weimar Republic, where only commodities, especially gold, are treated as money.

In this difficult period, do nothing and hold nothing but gold. Only gold, the ultimate asset that has survived the longest in human history, can save us now.

A specter is haunting the world – the specter of gold, while the old fiat money has lost all its powers.

Stock position: None.

This article has 17 comments:

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    Oct 14 06:27 PM
    You're so right. Sell everything now! Even gold is suspect. Buy canned goods! Buy ammunition! Buy generators! Buy tinfoil hats!

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    Oct 14 06:57 PM
    dude...you are one crazy man. why are you scaring a lot people into making bad financial decisions. Isn't enough people have lost 30 percent this year?
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    Oct 14 07:15 PM
    Thomas Tan has written a long article but worth reading every bit. Wow Dow 4k to 5k? unthinkable but so is Dow at 8k which was reality just a week ago. We can use Thomas' good article to examine and analyse further as it pays to be prepared for the worst but hoping for the best.
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    Normalize PE is nonsense. The current PE in S&P500 is about 19x, while the forward 2008 operating earning PE is about 15x. You have to believe that these obscene profits that banks earned in the past is all but sustainable to believe in normlize PE.
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    Oct 14 08:09 PM
    Gold is just a commodity like oil or wheat, except you can't burn it or eat it. There is no more reason for gold to hold its value than for anything else to hold its value.
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    Oct 14 08:28 PM
    What will u do when the government outlaws gold ownership? u think it cant happen? FDR did it in 1933...gl gold bugs...but hoarding the glittery metal wont work.
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    Oct 14 09:35 PM
    Wow H-Bomb, hit him in the face with a shovel!!,
    Kill the bearer of bad news eh?
    There are a lot of learned people saying the same things as Mr. Tan, you going to be the "Lester Maddux" of shovels?
    How many "market bottoms" have you seen predicted here at SA by all the learned financial gurus blogging here-dozens? How many have been correct in their predictions=0.
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    Oct 15 12:14 AM
    "Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria"

    Bill Murray in Ghostbusters
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    Oct 15 02:14 AM
    In 87 I bought gold mining stocks to protect myself, thinking I would make money while others lost. It was a big mistake. I anticipated the crash of 87 and applied the solution that the hard money crowd recommended. It was a disaster.

    Whenever the stock market has a major crash, it is a major deflationary event. The price of gold will go down dramatically after the dust clears and investors resolve themselves to the new reality.

    The best solution to a market crash is to move to CASH. Stay in CASH as the prices of commodities and stocks fall. Then in 6 weeks to 6 months start buying cautiously.

    Don't stay in CASH beyond about a year, because Inflation will roar back when the economic stimulus and bank bailouts begin to produce an increase in the money supply. Technically, when the velocity of money really begins to grow, inflation will advance dramatically.

    I have not heard of anyone giving this advice. It amazes me that the professionals did not remember the lessons of 87.
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    Oct 15 03:03 AM
    "A 15 year market veteran, Thomas employs a combination of fundamental and technical analysis in searching for the most promising sector in the market then investing via diversification."

    What was that last word?

    "investing via... own-nothing-but-gold-d... "

    What does it say about a man when his present rationale conflicts with his bio?
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    spent a long time this a.m. reading market ticker and michael panzer and now mr tan...

    i am just going outside...and may be some time...
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    Oct 15 11:23 AM
    1987wise of course no one is giving advice to stay solely in cash, this is not 1987, not even close. When the dollar crashes you will wish you had repeated those same precautionary measures you took in '87. Buy gold if you can find some to buy, the prices are low but no one is selling so no one is able to buy at these 'low' prices. Follow your instincts from '87, only this time you'll be fortunate you did.
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    Oct 15 11:32 AM
    peterthepainter: You're not on the way back from the South Pole, by any chance, are you??
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    Oct 15 01:56 PM
    Tan pulled some bad historical figures from his head. Look 'em up (for the DJIA) - the bear market following the '29 crash ended with the mid-year 1932 bull pop (peaked up 78% in Sept. from the low in July), though . The '29 was reached again in 1954, not 1958 as he says. The 1968 peak was not the high through 1992(!), it was eclipsed in 1973, again in 1976, again in 1981, again in 1982, and the LOW of the market was higher than the 1968 high from 1983 onward.

    It is pretty negative thinking to declare that we've been in a bear market since 2000 just because the market hasn't eclipsed that high mark again. The S&P and Nasdaq more than doubled from the bottom in 2002 to mid-2007 (and the DJIA came very close), a bull market by anyone's definition.
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    Oct 15 04:50 PM
    Falling in love with your thesis will get you murdered in the market. The author's thesis is expressed at the end of his article and the rest of the article is arranged to support the thesis.

    "Foreign Banks will dump treasuries and buy gold"

    Not very likely unless they want to hamstring themselves and their own ability to print paper and cut themselves out of 20% of the gobal economy situated in the good old USA. Gold is a commodity whose value is based on supply and demand unless it's price is standardized and fixed (i.e. gold standard). For the average guy, there isn't much you can really do with gold..... you can't eat it or buy a car with it. The only value it has is what someone else is willing to pay for it in legal tender. After the gold bulls have talked others into buying the stuff and driving up the price, they'll exit leaving others holding the bag. It's happened in every other sector. The last and final bubble to burst will be gold. History says it will.

    As for how long the bear market will last....nobody knows.....it will last until investors begin to feel a little bit more confident and feel like taking a little bit more risk. Nothing is risk free. Not even stuffing your mattress with dollars. Rational people have pretty much ruled out the depression doomsday scenario. That leaves a recession. We've had them before and we'll have them again. We've been through this before and proven that we will come out the other side.
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    Oct 15 05:24 PM
    Continuing......value can both intrinsic and relative. P/E expresses an intrinsic value. The current trailing P/E of the S&P is 13.5 using SPY as a proxie. This value is low relative to the 30 year average P/E of 18. This would suggest that the current market is under valued relative to the last 30 years. The real GDP of the US has grown on predictable slope for over 50 years. Since the governments of the world seem to want to continue that pattern and appear willing and eager to do whatever it takes to support it, it is reasonable to assume that pattern will continue. The current wave of fear mongering is benefiting those that propagate it at the expense of others, just as other self promoting movements before them promoted real estate, tech, energy, and equities into bubbles.
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    Oct 19 06:24 PM
    we have a perfrect storm the housing financial and commodities buble burst Do you thinks that every thing will be ok in 6 month? This
    situation when three major bubles exploded at the same never happend before how could you look back on market history and make predicitons for the future
    Eeven the great Buffet can make mistakes He was too early and he does everything to persuasde you to follow his bad decision He wasnts you go go out and buy stocksl
    You can dream aoubt fast recovery .When was the last time that government helped the financial system? It will take many many month before any bank you see a dime from the government. First you need to write a 500 page docuemnt which will explain how can you get the money
    Stay in cash for years to come When the market move 2000 points up you can change your mind You will not be abel to buy at the bottom and so are 99% of the people including w buffet
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